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TRANSCRIPT Sun Nov 14 13:02:09 EST 2004 Elizabeth Tobin; Welcome to today's chat with Jan and Johnny Mirehiel. My name is Elizabeth Tobin and I'm a Certified Holographic Repatterning practitioner. I've been doing Holographic Repatterning since 1999 and I have my own practice where I give private and group sessions. I'm pleased to host today's chat with Jan and Johnny. There are links at the top of the page Johnny's site, as well. If you click on one of those links, it will take you to a new page. To get back to the chat, just close that new page and you'll be back here. 1. Please
minimize cross-talk between participants, since it can interrupt Sun Nov 14 13:04:33 EST 2004 Elizabeth Tobin; HERE IS THE
FORMAT FOR TODAY'S CHAT Sun Nov 14 13:05:33 EST 2004 Ok, let's start with an ENTRAINMENT from the Holographic Repatterning process to synchronize our energy so we have a deeper connection and enhanced communication for the chat. Notice how you feel before and after this entrainment... [editor's
note: For those of you reading this transcript after the chat you can do
this Entrainment now. Because
Holographic
Repatterning works beyond time and space, you can, with your
intention, take part in this Entrainment even after the fact. Take a pause
now and notice how you feel. Then continue reading the instructions for
the Entrainment and do the actions indicated. Then notice how you feel
after doing the modality.] Sun Nov 14 13:06:58 EST 2004 And that is complete.
Now everyone who participated in the entrainment is on the same
page, energetically speaking. I
don't want to take time away from Johnny Mirehiel's chat to answer
questions about Holographic Repatterning, so if you'd like to ask me
questions about what we just did, I'll stay in the room after the chat and
we can talk then. Sun Nov 14 13:07:05 EST 2004 Now that the logistics are out of the way, let me introduce you to Johnny and Jan Mirehiel! Jan Mirehiel is an ordained minister, and a psychic facilitator. For the past 25 years, her spiritual development has been guided by the teachings of Rumi and Idries Shah. On the earthly plane, she is a computer geek who holds advanced degrees in business and education. Sun Nov 14 13:07:26 EST 2004 Hi All... Sun Nov 14 13:07:49 EST 2004 Johnny Mirehiel, (mah-ray'-he-el) is a 30-year student of spiritual, metaphysical and astrological ideas. A former secondary school teacher and one-time "Man of the Year in Education," he is internationally known as the discoverer of the astrological chart of the Harmonic Concordance moment. He now practices and teaches with astrology in the high desert of Southern California. From there he also produces and manages their web site www.HarmonicConcordance.com. Last year he and his wife, Jan, embarked upon a cross-country tour to speak about the Harmonic Concordance and its message of Unity, Joy, Peace and Reconciliation. This year they took to the road again, this time focusing their speaking engagements in Europe... Sun Nov 14 13:08:14 EST 2004 Hi Jan! Sun Nov 14 13:08:21 EST 2004 I had the pleasure of meeting Jan and Johnny when they came to Massachusetts on their speaking tour last year. I was most impressed by their dedication to their work of spreading the news about the Harmonic Concordances I & II. I was touched by their integrity and their humor and I know that you will be inspired by their message of LOVE, UNITY and JOY. So without further ado, I'll turn the chat over to them. Take it away Jan and Johnny! end Sun Nov 14 13:08:38 EST 2004 hi! Sun Nov 14 13:08:46 EST 2004 Hi everybody, and thanks for being here. I’m Johnny Mirehiel. Thank you for dropping in to our chat time here, and a big “Thank You,” also, to Elizabeth for setting it up. Sun Nov 14 13:09:03 EST 2004 You are most welcome, thank you for being here! Sun Nov 14
13:09:18 EST 2004 Sun Nov 14 13:09:48 EST 2004 Sun Nov 14 13:10:01 EST 2004 Perhaps I can start with a brief overview of the Harmonic Concordance. The Harmonic Concordance chart had a certain astrological signature that was readable on several levels. On one, it spoke about the merger of “Descending” God Conscious energy with that of Ascending Human Consciousness. On another level, it addressed the merger of the Masculine and Feminine archetypes within us. And on yet another, it suggested the co-creative CONCEPTION of a new Collective Consciousness Reality. On each of these levels, the Divine Feminine Principal is an absolutely essential element... Sun Nov 14 13:10:36 EST 2004 This Divine Feminine is expressed again and again this year. Sun Nov 14 13:11:17 EST 2004 About the
Divine Feminine Principle The Feminine Principle was once again brought to the fore this year by the Venus Crossing of this past June 8th. The fact that this crossing is a once-a-century astronomical event, and that it happened in our world wide multi-media era brought much attention to its feminine energy in both the spiritual and astrological communities. Which brings us to the three Grand Quintile sequence of this October/November. These planetary patterns, in the shape of the five-pointed Star Pentagram, represent the penultimate expression of this Divine Feminine Principle. In as much as they do, they also represent the actual birth of a new form of Humankind, since the Feminine is the source of ALL creation, and “birthing” is the primary feminine imperative... Sun Nov 14 13:12:54 EST 2004 In addition to this Divine Feminine principle, the occurrence of the pentagrams every 28 days apart seem to be reminding us to honor the natural cycles of the moon and the earth. Sun Nov 14 13:13:13 EST 2004 It may be seen that, on an esoteric level at least, there is what I have called a conception/quickening/birth process that was begun at the Concordance (conception), flowed through the Venus Crossing (the quickening) and finally, that concludes with the Pentacles (the Birth). So, in short, THIS IS THE TIME for that new birth of a new Consciousness awareness of the Divine Feminine... Sun Nov 14 13:13:43 EST 2004 TextTexthow exciting! Sun Nov 14 13:14:01 EST 2004 What that new birth looks and feels like is intimately related to the “ascension” of the Feminine Principle. This is something entirely NEW to our way of thinking in this Age, and replaces our old, patriarchal, mind-set. The Divine Cosmic Mother is here seen, not as an equal to the Father principle, but as antecedent to it. In this sense, all of the patriarchal religions, for more than 5,000 years, have led us down the wrong path to Wholeness, Unity and Light. Yes, there is a Father figure who stands as a beacon, but His light shines on the presence of the Cosmic Mother, and not the other way around. As I read the astrological scrolls, this is the “birth” (or actually, the re-birth) that these times most embodies... Sun Nov 14 13:15:01 EST 2004 The fascinating thing about that birth is that we may find ourselves in a world next door, that looks and feels like this one...but is at a higher vibrational level Sun
Nov 14 13:15:03 EST 2004 Lovely! Sun Nov 14 13:15:22 EST 2004 Now, in regards to mundane affairs, the re-installation of the very divisive administration now in power is a clear indication that this Nation (and the world for that matter, as America ultimately represents the global mindset) now stands divided as never before since the American Civil War. There is no turning back from the cultural clash that divides the old patriarchal, right-brained, analytical thinking with what that faction has called the “effete,” left-brained, matriarchal, intuitive thinking. Women of this generation know that this is so. But look at all the descriptions of what people have imagined as the Ascended World. They are ALL feminine in nature and almost diametrically opposed to the reality of the male-controlled 3-D world in which we now live... Sun Nov 14 13:16:20 EST 2004 Thank you! Sun Nov 14 13:16:43 EST 2004 Each of the charts that I have spoken about above, as well as those that I have been writing about in our Blog, are “global” charts. They are set for Greenwich, England, the birthplace of the World’s day. As such, they reflect a certain global consciousness that charts set for any other location do not imply. While the Chart for the 1st Grand Quintile at Greenwich might be seen as largely “up right,” the two subsequent charts are distinguished by their “inverted” orientation, seeming to point downward. These two opposing pattern orientations have been written about for eons as representing the “positive” and “negative” usage of spiritual power. Coming so close to the American election as the second one did, this was one of the factors that I looked at in my prediction of the Bush victory. With the coming of the 3rd, inverted Grand Quintile, I look for yet another of the controlling patriarchal forces’ “last gasp” attempts at domination. This is actually hopeful, for in it I see, as a result of such last ditch patriarchal “thrustings” that the new matriarchal consciousness will emerge, like the Phoenix from the ashes of Her old Self... Sun Nov 14 13:18:43 EST 2004 Well, that's the context that I would like to set for today's chat. Can we open it up for some questions now? end Sun Nov 14 13:19:18 EST 2004 Is there a speeding up of the physical body? Sun Nov 14 13:20:01 EST 2004 There is indeed
a speeding up of the physical body, that has been going on for some time.
I think we all feel it. Sun Nov 14 13:22:23 EST 2004 Yes, I'm finding great conflict with time and my body. It's pulling against each other. Sun Nov 14 13:23:37 EST 2004 This year, in the laboratories, in the scientists have found particles that do indeed move faster than the speed of light. We are becoming aware of that movement in our own physicality. It is disconcerting, but it is the key to many of the "psychic" gifts Sun Nov 14 13:24:37 EST 2004 This 3D existance makes evolving difficult and SLOW Sun Nov 14 13:25:39 EST 2004 What are your thoughts on our bodies expanding to hold more light? Sun Nov 14 13:26:24 EST 2004 It is difficult and slow, but at the same time, our etheric doubles are off moving things around, gathering information. These bodies ARE light....we just need to move into harmony with them. end. Sun Nov 14 13:27:04 EST 2004 I still would like to know exactly what it is you mean by a speeding up in the body, a definition if you would. Thank you. Sun Nov 14 13:27:24 EST 2004 How do we do that, Jan? end Sun Nov 14 13:27:43 EST 2004 Do you just mean vibrationally? end Sun Nov 14 13:27:51 EST 2004 The body lives
in this world...all that it knows of time seems to be moving faster....
We think that we must be speeded up to keep up... Sun Nov 14 13:29:14 EST 2004 I have recently had a physical reaction to this by my blood pressure increasing. This is unusual for me and has never happened before. It has stayed elevated much to Dr;s concern. end Sun Nov 14 13:30:05 EST 2004 this has been really very obvious to me in the last two weeks, that time is moving faster Sun Nov 14 13:30:20 EST 2004 Yes, I feel very anxious and have used the term, "I can't get caught up with myself." end Sun Nov 14 13:30:42 EST 2004 I'm sorry to hear that, AthyKay. It is an example of the effect that I am talking about. But if we realize that have another self, in the shamanic sense, or the higher soul sense or whatever you call it.... Sun Nov 14 13:32:12 EST 2004 I have been practicing shamanism for several years now and it has come as a great comfort to me in this time. end Sun Nov 14 13:32:16 EST 2004 As this is not really a field that I'm familiar with, I can only answer with anecdotal comments of my own, which I wouldn't put forth as any measure of the "body" speeding up. end Sun Nov 14 13:32:40 EST 2004 We can ask that self to handle the stressful aspect of our lives, and the physical aspects of our lives. end Sun
Nov 14 13:33:36 EST 2004 However, we DO receive many reports that people are experiencing life differently. Some report that they have seen "the Grid", some walk into a different world which others don't see, and yet others experience TIME as contracting. There are multiple ways that individuals are experiencing a "non-normal" sense of reality. end Sun Nov 14 13:34:17 EST 2004 I am having a slight problem with the earlier term that the world's patriarchal leanings have been in direct opposition to the Divine Feminine--I know I'm distorting the context but I think that thinking in such yin/yang or black/white ways is the outdated mode of thinking. To say that we are going to swing completely in the other direction scares me---seems imbalanced and I'd ideally (perhaps naively) like to see the best of both world harmonized..I think it's's only then that the world will grow into a fuller notion of our highest potential...end Sun Nov 14 13:35:03 EST 2004 The Huna talk about our three-body system: higher, human, lower. They point out that the lower, which we often want to ignore, is in charge of the physical world that we experience. We need to open the connection between the higher and lower and honor them both. This is indeed the harmonizing of opposites. Sun Nov 14 13:35:32 EST 2004 We have been trying to harmonize the two for a long timnowoe...to no avail. end Sun Nov 14 13:36:17 EST 2004 Perhaps the cycle had to run its course, from one extreme to the other. Sun Nov 14 13:36:42 EST 2004 Athykay; I agree Jan. We are in an extreme NOW! end Sun Nov 14 13:36:49 EST 2004 There is no harmonizing of the two until the Face of the Divine Feminine steps out from behind the veil beneath or behind which it has been or exiled. end. hidden Sun Nov 14 13:37:37 EST 2004 I think where we may be headed is that our higher selves or soul will be in charge of the personality. Sun Nov 14 13:37:42 EST 2004 Mine too..just in a rush. end Sun Nov 14 13:37:59 EST 2004 Therese, good point. We often talk about the Divine Feminine...what is it that is different about it? end Sun Nov 14 13:37:59 EST 2004 That seems a bit cynical--even the notion of 'higher' and 'lower' or light and dark...and extremes or pendulums swinging only cause chaos and confusion. I agree that the feminine has never gotten its due and its high time it does---but not in vilifying the masculinene is all...end. Sun Nov 14 13:38:00 EST 2004 And this is but one of the "signs of the times," Therese. This awakening to the Divine Feminine is a MAJOR indication that things are changing. Sun Nov 14 13:38:17 EST 2004 Does it love more, judge less? I hope so! Sun Nov 14 13:39:24 EST 2004 It is, perhaps, THE most significant element in these times. Out with the "old," in with the "new" concept of the "Godhead," or Source. Sun Nov 14 13:39:32 EST 2004 It brings forth into LIFE without judgment. end Sun Nov 14 13:39:40 EST 2004 Is it more nurturing by nature? Tradition says so, and yet there is a definite Warrior aspect to Venus. Sun Nov 14 13:39:43 EST 2004 Maybe our hard work here is finally paying off , Johnny. end Sun
Nov 14 13:40:11 EST 2004 It is so exciting to know that we all signed up to be here now, for this work! Sun Nov 14 13:40:31 EST 2004 And yes, Therese, as our friend and traveling partner for the European tour, Phil Gruber, would say, “Judgment and Love CANNOT live in the same space.” Sun Nov 14 13:40:42 EST 2004 Out of curiosity, are there any astrologers here today? Sun
Nov 14 13:41:00 EST 2004 one here, end Sun Nov 14 13:41:25 EST 2004 Yes, there is certainly the warrior DURGA who as a Mother Lion, protects that which she brings forth and there is also the fact that she brings forth into Life in form or brings forth into the life without form so perceptually there is a duality. end Sun Nov 14 13:42:06 EST 2004 There is one thing that is interesting that is going on in the astrological community at this time. Would you like to hear about it? Sun Nov 14 13:42:15 EST 2004 yes, end Sun Nov 14 13:42:21 EST 2004 YES! Sun Nov 14 13:42:29 EST 2004 Yeah! end Sun Nov 14 13:42:54 EST 2004 yes, please. end Sun Nov 14 13:42:24 EST 2004 I am not an astrologer, but I have been reading some of Johnny's books about Venus and the quintiles...they are governed by the number 5... Sun Nov 14 13:43:47 EST 2004 I have always felt special about "5" end Sun Nov 14 13:43:48 EST 2004 Me too, I even had a poster once, before I was awake, that was just 5's on a background. It always stirred something in me Sun Nov 14 13:43:56 EST 2004 it's said that it takes five notes to bring energy into matter/form. Sun Nov 14 13:44:13 EST 2004 I like that! Sun Nov 14 13:46:02 EST 2004
Sun Nov 14 13:44:46 EST 2004 Numerologically, it is the "gate" between the lower and higher numbers. Sun Nov 14 13:46:07 EST 2004 Cool, explains a lot, Numerologically speaking! end. Sun Nov 14 13:42:56 EST 2004 So, if you'll hold your questions and comments for a few moments, I'll try to condense this new astrological work for you. Sun
Nov 14 13:45:04 EST 2004 The Sequence of events that I spoke about in my introduction, has peaked the interest of several well known astrologers with whom I have been speaking lately. What we all are coming to understand is that the Quintile aspects should rightly be brought into the "A Team" of astrological aspects. Sun Nov 14 13:46:24 EST 2004 If you have never looked to see if they are prevalent in your chart, you might be surprised by what the quintiles have to say about you. Sun Nov 14 13:46:54 EST 2004 This is significant because, although it has been around since Kepler introduce it in the 1600s, it has remained a "minor" aspect for the vast majority of astrologers until now. Sun Nov 14 13:48:15 EST 2004 The Quintiles are most definitely connected to the Feminine, as they are the aspects, which compose that most Feminine pattern, the five-pointed star/pentagram. Sun Nov 14 13:48:47 EST 2004 I love this. Womynchant or feminine music is based on a five-note phrase and that is so cool! end. Sun Nov 14 13:49:16 EST 2004 There are no coincidences. end Sun Nov 14 13:49:17 EST 2004 Can we hear any of this somewhere, Therese? Sun Nov 14 13:49:41 EST 2004 http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/webpages/quintiles.htm has good explanation of quintiles end. Sun Nov 14 13:50:15 EST 2004 Thanks, Spiritual Seeker. Sun Nov 14 13:50:31 EST 2004 Elizabeth Tobin; I'd be interested in learning more about this music too, Therese. end Sun Nov 14 13:50:47 EST 2004 Definitely, me too! Sun Nov 14 13:52:09 EST 2004 You probably have some of my chant somewhere, Johnny. And there is Hildegard of Bingen or any number, or in modern times Kay Gardener, etc. Sun Nov 14 13:52:09 EST 2004 Vinnie, as an astrologer, have you used the Quintiles as a regular feature of your work? Sun Nov 14 13:52:41 EST 2004 no , not at all, I have one quintile in my chart with Jupiter and the north node with jupiter in the fourth and n. node in 11th, end Sun Nov 14 13:59:17 EST 2004 Vinnie, might I suggest that you begin to us them. In your case, what do you think that the Jup/N.Node Quintile would mean? The Quintile has been referred to as a creative, transformational "gift. As I read it, in your chart it would indicate a gift to bring the gift of your "God Consciousness" (Jup) to your pre-determined and self-destined life direction (N.Node). Look to the house that the Node is in to determine the most effective area of life experience to create those circumstances. Sun Nov 14 14:00:21 EST 2004 That Jupiter is in Scorpio, my awakening really began when my father died of a massive heart attack in 1984, which set me on my spiritual "quest".... Sun Nov 14 14:18:54 EST 2004 I always say that my father's death was the greatest gift he could have given me. He was a great dad but his death triggered my remembrance that I was here to do something other than 3D, end Sun Nov 14 14:19:47 EST 2004 Perhaps it was The gift that keeps on giving, Vinnie, the ultimate inheritance. Sun Nov 14 14:20:32 EST 2004 His death, in other words, brought about a TRANSFORMATION. Sun Nov 14 14:20:43 EST 2004 Yes, in a sense, end Sun Nov 14 14:21:09 EST 2004 I live with Pluto so much..........4 planets in Scorpio in the 4th house, end Sun Nov 14 14:21:11 EST 2004 So, you can see how the Quintile worked in your chart... Sun Nov 14 14:21:44 EST 2004 absolutely, it describes perfectly a life transforming event, it was definitely a marker in my life, end Sun Nov 14 14:23:07 EST 2004 So, Johnny, transits to the Quintile could also bring out transformative types of events?, end Sun Nov 14 14:24:16 EST 2004 Yes, Vinnie, that's certainly so. Sun Nov 14 14:24:08 EST 2004 Tranformative something, for sure...events, qualities, attitudes perhaps. Sun
Nov 14 13:20:08 EST 2004 When is the next Grand Quintile? I thought these were all taking place in October? Sun Nov 14 13:22:01 EST 2004 There IS a third Grand Quintile that will be appearing next Wednesday evening in the US. The one caveat is that the orbs for the Quintile and Bi-Quintile, which are those used to see the pattern, must be opened up to 3 1/2 degrees. The Date for the 3rd GQ is November 24th, here in the US. Sun Nov 14 13:53:27 EST 2004 These three have occurred every 28 days, since the first of October. Sun Nov 14 13:53:58 EST 2004 I thought the GQs were 10/1 and 10/28, so there's another one in Nov. Is that the final one in the HCII? end Sun Nov 14 13:54:02 EST 2004 To get away from astrology for a minute, the number 5 in the tarot is the hierophant, which is all about tradition, convention, orthodoxy. Sounds republican to me! end Sun Nov 14 13:55:07 EST 2004 Maybe they are telling us that, behind this "speedy" world is one of deep and ancient cycles that we need to align with.... Sun Nov 14 13:55:24 EST 2004 Sounds like FORM Sun Nov 14 13:55:28 EST 2004 Not all traditions are bad...Wiccans, Druids and Native peoples believe in lovely traditions and keep them alive... Sun Nov 14 13:55:48 EST 2004 Thank you Spiritual Seeker! Sun Nov 14 13:55:55 EST 2004 Yes, we are participating in a Native American ceremony tomorrow at sunrise. Sun
Nov 14 13:56:42 EST 2004 Cool. end Sun Nov 14 13:56:47 EST 2004 We will be with Bennie LeBeau in Big Bear, completing a Southern California medicine wheel Sun Nov 14 13:56:59 EST 2004 There is an ancient foundation in truth which we all share and that foundation is unshakable...5...Hierophant...end Sun Nov 14 13:57:37 EST 2004 I always think about the Hierophant as the authority to which we listen. Sun Nov 14 13:58:04 EST 2004 Lovely, Jan and most valid for certain. end Sun
Nov 14 13:58:05 EST 2004 The inner teacher is the best and final one. Sun Nov 14 13:58:10 EST 2004 Yes, and I have participated in all of these as well. Maybe it's time to create our OWN traditions as we come together for this work. end Sun Nov 14 13:58:59 EST 2004 Jan Mirehiel; I love that we can come together, without needing to pass "belief" tests... Sun Nov 14 13:59:39 EST 2004 Inner Teacher is the only valid voice for truth upon which any of us can depend or stand. end. Sun Nov 14 13:59:48 EST 2004 Yes Jan, well said. end Sun Nov 14 14:00:00 EST 2004 When we do ceremony in our own medicine wheel. there are no leaders, no traditions, beyond that of bringing your own contribution. Sun Nov 14 14:00:41 EST 2004 I agree--everyone has the freedom to use their voice and feel safe to do so---bravo on creating this atmosphere and space...end Sun Nov 14 14:00:50 EST 2004 All prayers are welcome, all religious beliefs are honored. Sun
Nov 14 14:01:12 EST 2004 This is part of the new consciousness that the Feminine heralds. Sun Nov 14 14:01:15 EST 2004 I think of this form as the new church... Honoring our collective oneness. end Sun Nov 14 14:02:18 EST 2004 A church without walls, steeples, or dogma---one of people and ideas and love...sign me up! end Sun Nov 14 14:02:29 EST 2004 If there is anything new and different now, it is that we are beginning to grok that ONEness more than ever before. Sun Nov 14 14:03:31 EST 2004 Yes, times are evolving beyond what we think we know. Let's look at this with a clear and open mind. Discard old beliefs To coin an old phrase..."Can't see the forest for the trees" end. Sun Nov 14 14:04:17 EST 2004 Johnny, I know that you and Jan have been doing a lot of traveling lately. Are you still doing astrological readings for people, individually? And if so how would a person set that up with you? Sun Nov 14 14:05:36 EST 2004 Yes, Elizabeth, Johnny does full-blown astrological readings, and we also do Astro-Tarot readings for the short and sweet story on Transits in individual's lives Our phone number is 760-363-6657, for anyone interested. Sun Nov 14 14:04:36 EST 2004 The Cosmic Mother, the one source of all, is our point of origin. The Divine Feminine AND the Divine Masculine both issue forth from that source. Together, in Unity, they lead us to the Father, which is just another way to say that they lead us to our own Wholeness. Sun Nov 14 14:04:44 EST 2004 We used to think of enlightenment as the end goal. Now we know that what is important is what we do and think after enlightenment comes. Sun
Nov 14 14:05:37 EST 2004 Right, the old chop wood, haul water addage. end Sun Nov 14 14:05:54 EST 2004 Johnny, I would love to hear more about the quintile aspects and how they potentially express. end Sun Nov 14 14:07:31 EST 2004 Therese, thanks for asking this question. I would like to know, too. Let's all wait patiently for Johnny to type his answer. end Sun Nov 14 14:09:16 EST 2004 Well, Therese, that's an interesting question...you see, there hasn't been a lot of information out there that speaks about the quintiles. The dozen or so astrologers that have agreed to join me in our efforts to bring them into the fold will be cooperating on a research project designed to clarify the effects of Quintiles. We'll be setting this research in the very near future... Sun Nov 14 14:09:25 EST 2004 As Johnny looks into them, I can't help but wonder if the quintiles activating Venus qualities might be particularly meaningful because of that innate numerological relationship. Sun Nov 14 14:10:29 EST 2004 Yes, Jan this "sacred geometry" that astrology really rests on is definitely in play here... Sun Nov 14 14:11:28 EST 2004 I've been so fascinated by Sacred Geometry lately! end Sun Nov 14 14:11:39 EST 2004 It is all tied together by the mathematics of the circle and of Phi, the Divine proportion... The mystery is why the astrological community has largely ignored these aspects...I suggest it has to do with the very patriarchal nature of astrology itself. That is to say that there is a patriarchal cast there. For example, of the 10 "planets" that we use in astrology, only 2 are considered feminine... Sun Nov 14 14:14:59 EST 2004 Johnny, I have heard you speak of them as gifts that give two ways...a gift the person has and can't help but give back to the world. Sun Nov 14 14:16:56 EST 2004 Yes, they would seem to be "gifts," but there's more to it than that...there's the creative aspect and the transformational aspect, and too, it seems that they may become more effective or noticable in people's lives in the later years... Sun
Nov 14 14:17:30 EST 2004 As in Vinnie's case... Sun Nov 14 14:17:58 EST 2004 And this might be associated with the fact that they essentially lay hidden in astrologers kit bags until only recently. Sun Nov 14 14:18:19 EST 2004 Aha! So it sounds like astrology will be mirroring these shifts as well, bringing back the divine feminine with the more prominent role of quintiles. end Sun Nov 14 14:18:37 EST 2004 We can only hope! Sun Nov 14 14:19:37 EST 2004 Absolutely correct, Elizabeth. And since astrology is one of the most common "new age" tools, it is an excellent place to "advertise" the Divine Feminine presence in all our lives. Sun Nov 14 14:19:23 EST 2004 This is interesting...I believe there is a quintile between my Moon and Pluto, so this gives me a start in exploring. end Sun Nov 14 14:23:56 EST 2004 For those of you who might not know, the quintiles are a actually a set of three aspects, the Quintile = 72 ", the Biquintile = 144" and the Tredecile = 108" Sun Nov 14 14:25:32 EST 2004 Please explain these diff types of aspects of quintiles esp rel to 11/24. end Sun Nov 14 14:25:32 EST 2004 well, I will certainly delve into this more, it is fascinating!, end Sun Nov 14 14:26:16 EST 2004 and will keep track of upcoming Mars transit to this quintile for me, end Sun Nov 14 14:26:38 EST 2004 Let us know what you find. Sun Nov 14 14:26:51 EST 2004 So we've got a huge chunk of work cut out for us here. Since we are the ones who are most aware of the new (old) status of the Cosmis Mother, it's on us to bring that information to the fore. For my part, I'll do this work through our study of the Quintiles. And of course, we'll invite any interested parties to join us in that endeavor. Sun Nov 14 14:26:54 EST 2004 I must go now but thank you, Johnny and Jan for the opportunity to join, and for the added stimulation of new questions to ask! Sun Nov 14 14:27:02 EST 2004 Bless you! end Sun Nov 14 14:27:15 EST 2004 Back atcha, sistah! Sun Nov 14 14:27:31 EST 2004 Aho! Therese. Thanks for asking them. Sun Nov 14 14:28:37 EST 2004 BTW, Vinnie, I'd say that your take on your Mars transit would be a good place to start your own investigation. Sun Nov 14 14:29:09 EST 2004 yes, I would agree, also intuitively I have been feeling some changes, new things coming in, etc, end Sun Nov 14 14:29:49 EST 2004 I am 58 and have gone back to college, one more semester to go, end Sun Nov 14 14:29:53 EST 2004 Does anybody have any other questions for Jan and Johnny? Sun Nov 14 14:30:23 EST 2004 Well, I’ve said the most important things that I had on my agenda, so I'm ready to call it a wrap. Besides, the Jets game is now underway. (LOL) Sun Nov 14 14:30:25 EST 2004 There was a question about the quintiles of the November 24, I think? Sun Nov 14 14:30:50 EST 2004 Ray I? Sun Nov 14 14:30:56 EST 2004 Yes, Ray I had asked a question about that. end Sun Nov 14 14:30:58 EST 2004 Yes ~ 11/ 24.end Sun Nov 14 14:31:55 EST 2004 I've copied and pasted Ray I's ? here to refresh your memory: Please explain these diff types of aspects of quintiles esp rel to 11/24.end Sun Nov 14 14:32:31 EST 2004 Let's let Johnny answer this and then we'll close our time together. end Sun Nov 14 14:33:07 EST 2004 Do you want some more info about it Ray? There's an article on our site about it, under "Astrological Musings" called something like New Quintiles Astrology. Sun Nov 14 14:33:20 EST 2004 Perhaps this third pentagram is the child of the other two? Sun
Nov 14 14:33:52 EST 2004 Please check it out for more details. If you'll wait a moment, I'll get the URL... Sun Nov 14 14:34:35 EST 2004 Thank you all for being here with us today...I have to go as well, unless there are any questions. But Johnny will be back for a moment or two. Sun Nov 14 14:34:38 EST 2004 Here it is: http://www.harmonicconcordance.com/newsite/AstrologicalMusings--QuintilesII.htm Sun Nov 14 14:34:38 EST 2004 It's significance potentially for All of us ~ of course i'll revisit your site as Well. end Sun Nov 14 14:34:48 EST 2004 thank you! end Sun Nov 14 14:35:24 EST 2004 Oops, looks like Johnny has gone...but he says not. Sun Nov 14 14:35:24 EST 2004 thank you Sun Nov 14 14:35:42 EST 2004 Thank you all for coming and sharing today. And thank you, Johnny and Jan for being so generous with your time, being here with us. I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say that I send you my Appreciation, Love and Gratitude for all that you are doing. There will be a complete and unedited transcript of this chat posted here at www.megaHRgroups.com. If you're interested in Holographic Repatterning sessions you can visit my web site, www.megaHRgroups.com or see the link at the top of this page. Please support Johnny and Jan's work by visiting their site: www.HarmonicConcordance.com Sun Nov 14 14:35:44 EST 2004 "Wake up! The Divine Feminine is back, and she'll be taking names!" Sun Nov 14 14:36:10 EST 2004 Namaste, All. Sun Nov 14 14:36:57 EST 2004 Thanks All Sun Nov 14 14:37:02 EST 2004 Thank you, everyone, for your "time" here today! Sun Nov 14 14:37:33 EST 2004 Thanks for joining us here, and special thanks to Elizabeth, again, for having us. Be well, live in Joy and continue on your Mission of Light. [We also highly recommend that readers check out Elizabeth's chat with Dr. Carl Johan Calleman. In that chat, Calleman speaks about the Venus passage of this past June 8th, the need to balance the Masculine/Feminine Principles and the role of conscious intention in the evolution of spiritual evolution. We think it a worthwhile read.]
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